Does Jules really hate CMake?
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Introduction
Julian āJulesā Storer is the creator of the JUCE C++ framework and the Cmajor programming language dedicated to audio.
He created JUCE in the late 90s, and it grew to become the most popular audio plugin development framework in the world. Apart from audio capabilities, it is a general-purpose cross-platform application development framework (Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS, and embedded platforms). Most plugin companies use JUCE; whether you like it or not, it has become a de facto industry standard.
You know that I love JUCE; I created the official JUCE audio plugin development course with them, and they are the sponsor of the podcast. So naturally, I was super excited to be able to interview Jules!
His next big thing is the Cmajor programming language. It is a C-like, LLVM-backed programming language dedicated solely to audio.
He has also given many talks at the Audio Developer Conference, so I encourage you to check them out as a way to relax and get inspired.
Jules is known for his strong opinions and dry humor, so I guarantee youāll find yourself chuckling every few minutes š
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Episode contents
From this episode, you will learn:
- How Jules created the JUCE framework and distributed it initially
- How to maintain such huge codebases as JUCE
- Julianās coding principles that will make you (and me) a better dev
- What problem does CMajor solve, and how
- Which tools is Jules using when coding, especially when it comes to AI
- His exact everyday work routines and relaxation strategies, and
- Does Jules really hate CMake?
This episode was recorded on January 30, 2026.
References
People
- Julian āJulesā Storer
- JUCE Team at ROLI
- Tracktion Team
- David Rowland
- James Woodburn
- Dave Christensen
- Cmajor Team
- Andrej Karpathy
Julesā projects
- JUCE (podcast sponsor ā¤ļø)
- Waveform DAW (previously Tracktion)
- Tracktion Engine
- Cmajor
Companies
Conferences & communities
Developer Tools
AI tools
IDEs
Version control
Build systems
Compilers
Code instrumentation tools
Frameworks
Programming languages
- C++
- Cmajor
- Rust
- Java
- Go
- JavaScript
- Python
- Faust
- WebAssembly
- HTML/CSS
Hardware
Technical concepts
- GNU General Public License
- Plugin formats (VST / AU / AAX / LV2)
- JIT compilation
- Real-time / low-latency audio
- Test-driven development (TDD)
- Shader languages
- Static analysis and linting
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